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[quote=""Jeff V.""]There's nothing to merge. Nobody makes anything like this. It's not like an NA to TT 3S swap, where 90% of the harness is common to both models and everything is the right length to fit into the body. I can't even merge it into the existing truck harness because there's virtually no overlap between the truck and the Endeavor.

Steve kept it simple. I overreached. Badly. Again.[/quote]

I feel you on the harness part. Its tight quarters in the Max.

Would you want to go back and re-purpose the stock harness similar to how I went about it? Its not nearly as sophisticated as your goals, but would get you up and running quicker.

I've got plenty of room. It's just that I'm trying to take a harness meant for a FWD SUV and fit it into a totally different orientation in a totally different vehicle. So things are getting bent and twisted in ways they were never meant to.

I get that.

How much left do you have to complete? Isnt most of all the drivetrain stuff wrapped up? Does that leave you with focusing on the electrical then?

You’re an innovator and not a fabricator. It’s what seems to makes you happy coming from someone on the outside. I’m not really surprised you lost interest in the project. On top of that, the truck even when it’s finished, won’t be a good truck for doing truck stuff, it won’t be reliable or safe nor fuel efficient and it won’t be fun to drive like your Vette and it won’t get any attention at shows.

I completely understand if you give up on it. You’ve learned all you’re going to learn from it and won’t get any value out of the HUGE amount of time and money you need to invest into it to finish it.

Toss it on bring a trailer and go take on something else you enjoy.

Kind of sounds like painting him in a corner.

Not sure how it won’t be a good truck for “truck stuff”. Care to elaborate? His bed is a foot longer than a first gen Honda Ridgeline so it can carry plenty of truck cargo. It’s got a very strong 4x4powertrain with LSD and a soon to be 300hp engine (also 50 more hp than Ridgeline).

Not reliable? Jeff does quality work and it’s a solid platform.

No it won’t have lane departure warning or airbags. Big whoop, plenty of classic car owners would also care less. It’s not his daily so no biggie.

Fuel economy of that engine is 17/25 in the eclipse. Shouldn’t be much lower than that in the truck. I average in the low 20’s. Better than most trucks I know

I also disagree that it’s not as fun. It’s it’s own kind of fun. Incognito and ready to rip. Is it going to win a 1/4 mile, nope. But the little shut box does put a big smile on peoples faces in the dirt and on the road.

It gets plenty of attention at car meets. It’s very unique and gets respect from people who build cars. I’ll give you fanboy appeal. It has no cult following and likely never will. His Corvette is much nicer all around.

Point is, his truck would be one of a kind and makes for a great story piece. He can thrash it and it will keep on going. Will he get $ out of it? Not really but he doesn’t have that much into it anyways.

Jeff not trying to talk you back into it. Priorities and goals change so it get you need to do what’s best for you guys.

No need to be offended or even somehow try to spin my words to be. Just being real. If the project was so great, more people would be doing it (including Jeff). Instead people get a full size truck if they need one. (And no a Ridgeline isn’t a full size truck).

This has been an intriguing concept just because it’s not common but face it, there’s just so many better platforms and engines to pick for a truck project.

[quote=""Monochrome""]No need to be offended or even somehow try to spin my words to be. Just being real. If the project was so great, more people would be doing it (including Jeff). Instead people get a full size truck if they need one. (And no a Ridgeline isn’t a full size truck).

This has been an intriguing concept just because it’s not common but face it, there’s just so many better platforms and engines to pick for a truck project.[/quote]

Where did jefe say he needed or wanted a full size pickup? A midsize truck will do for 90% of people out there that buy a full size. On the off chance you need more room in the bed rent a fucking trailer or a full size from uhaul.


Personally I would love to have this truck and finish it but if any kind of flash tuning will be required that's over my head. The rest of it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

[quote=""vr4""]Where did jefe say he needed or wanted a full size pickup? A midsize truck will do for 90% of people out there that buy a full size. On the off chance you need more room in the bed rent a fucking trailer or a full size from uhaul.


Personally I would love to have this truck and finish it but if any kind of flash tuning will be required that's over my head. The rest of it wouldn't be that big of a deal.[/quote]

If it’s easy for you and you’ll enjoy it then buy it. Lots of flash ECU tuners out there or consider one of the many alternatives out there now for engine control.

Greg is absolutely right, except for one part. The 'truck stuff'. I used it to help my sister in law move. It did everything we asked of it. The only thing a modern truck would have done better was have working AC.




The one other time I needed a truck, after this one was already torn apart, I rented one from Home Depot.

So it's really just that I've lost interest, and I'm not as much of a fabricator as I wish I was. Greg was spot on with all that.

We seem to have different definitions of what “truck stuff” means but that’s a tangent.

Just caught your post in the H3 thread and now I see the real reason you want to sell the Mitsu. Go for that LS hummer!

If I had wanted a full size truck, I'd have bought one. It was never about having those kinds of capabilities.

[quote=""Jeff V.""]If I had wanted a full size truck, I'd have bought one. It was never about having those kinds of capabilities.[/quote]

I’m trying to find a rust free 2nd or 3rd gen F250/350 Lariat for a Cummins swap project. They’re easy to find with blown motors but really hard to find rust free.

If there's anything I can help you with within a few hours of KC, let me know.

[quote=""Monochrome""]No need to be offended or even somehow try to spin my words to be. Just being real. If the project was so great, more people would be doing it (including Jeff). Instead people get a full size truck if they need one. (And no a Ridgeline isn’t a full size truck).

This has been an intriguing concept just because it’s not common but face it, there’s just so many better platforms and engines to pick for a truck project.[/quote]
No offense taken. Come with valid claims next time instead of "being real" conjecture.

Great, by whos standard? Latest trends? You make it sound like there is less pride in being on the gound floor of something good or great? How do you know where it will go, and why does it matter if it becomes popular or a fad? Him being happy with the outcome is the only important aspect.
[quote=""vr4""]Where did jefe say he needed or wanted a full size pickup? A midsize truck will do for 90% of people out there that buy a full size. On the off chance you need more room in the bed rent a fucking trailer or a full size from uhaul.


Personally I would love to have this truck and finish it but if any kind of flash tuning will be required that's over my head. The rest of it wouldn't be that big of a deal.[/quote]
Correct, wasnt about being a full size workhorse. It was about doing something new and defying the odds. The road was challenging enough for me and was even harder for Jeff. Really wanted this for him.
[quote=""Jeff V.""]Greg is absolutely right, except for one part. The 'truck stuff'. I used it to help my sister in law move. It did everything we asked of it. The only thing a modern truck would have done better was have working AC.




The one other time I needed a truck, after this one was already torn apart, I rented one from Home Depot.

So it's really just that I've lost interest, and I'm not as much of a fabricator as I wish I was. Greg was spot on with all that.[/quote]
Very capable and fun truck. Surprising what these little things can do.

I think you have done an excellent job reverse engineering all of the parts and components. You have been a great help to me for sure. I just wish you could complete yours in the same fashion. You know im here to help however I can, even if its some fab work.

[quote=""Monochrome""]I’m trying to find a rust free 2nd or 3rd gen F250/350 Lariat for a Cummins swap project. They’re easy to find with blown motors but really hard to find rust free.[/quote]
No sure how that tangent relates here.

Wow. I really didn't think I was going to be attacked for telling Jeff exactly what he wanted to hear but since for some reason you need to know (or can't figure it out), here's how my "claims are valid"

"won’t be a good truck for doing truck stuff"

The Mighty Max payload, tow and tongue capacity is less than most half size trucks in the last 10-15 years. You're also only allowed 4ft by the Fed Gov't to have something hanging out the back. Just because "it fits" in the bed doesn't mean you should be hauling it (think bags of concrete mix).

A more powerful motor doesn't change these physics. It's just older tech. Thus it's smarter to buy a newer vehicle for these purposes. Of course you "can" if you "want to" but that's not why you build up a 25 year old truck.

"it won’t be reliable or safe nor fuel efficient "

Reliability - It's a 25 year old truck with 35 year old tech.... I wouldn't be using it to haul my camper down to Florida even if I built it. Not sure why you would be thinking somehow that's attacking Jeff's mechanical abilities. Your feelings are misplaced.

Safety - crash test ratings.... This advancement in tech is what I was referring to. Lane Departure warnings do nothing to help you in the event of an accident. If this was a vehicle you drive at all, this should be a consideration and this is coming from a guy who built a cage with 300whp.

It's more than just crash tests. Huge improvements in chassis stability, brake distance and handing over the years too all to avoid an accident all together and improve ride quality.

Fuel Efficiency - When modern full size trucks get better mileage than what you think this one could, it's a "valid claim"

"and it won’t be fun to drive like your Vette"

Steve, let's meet up on some twisty roads. I'll bring my Miata, you bring your Max. Let's see which is more fun to drive. Maybe you'll understand this claim better then.

.... Honestly I don't care if anyone agrees to any of this or not. My claim is if the project lost it's appeal, it won't be useful when it's finished and it requires work he doesn't want to do, then sell it. "Him being happy with the outcome is the only important aspect." Is exactly my claim.

Nothing more than that.

Also... if tangents bother you Steve, don't create them. Sorry but not sorry I'm not on team "finish the Hotrod truck".

I am all for Santa Steve to buy it and finish it though.

This truck is a death trap. The body is pretty much only there to keep you dry

But that can be said of a lot of older, classic cars too.

[quote=""Jeff V.""]This truck is a death trap. The body is pretty much only there to keep you dry

But that can be said of a lot of older, classic cars too.[/quote]

Applies to pretty much anything pre 1995.

Sorry Greg but I'm gonna go on a rant.


There are many people who can't afford to go out and buy a new car every few months so as someone who used to be in that position... Fuck safety equipment. It's a known and accepted risk. Sure newer vehicle are safer and nicer but there's a certain charm to older vehicles. I wouldn't expect someone who buys brand new cars every few months to understand this.

I drove my s10 for the first time in 3 years yesterday. Fired up, ran rough for about 10 seconds, and then cleaned up. Had no problems and the AC was still ice cold. I kind of enjoyed it and may actually drive it to work this week.

Reliability? That 30 year old, 200k mile Chevy has never once let me down. Never left me stranded, has cost me less in repair costs in 10 years of ownership than my 2008/82k mile infinity has in the last 3.


S10. 1 radiator hose (original lower hose sprung a leak in 2012).
Infiniti. Transmission at 84k. Cats at 86k. Rear diff bushing at 101k.

As for buying it and finishing it, I would love to but don't have the room.

Oh you edited your posts... Alright then, here we go....

[quote=""vr4""]There are many people who can't afford to go out and buy a new car every few months so as someone who used to be in that position... [/quote]

That's such an extreme over exaggeration to what I'm saying. Since Charger Steve brought it up, let's go with that. We have an 11 year old Ridgeline that I'm fixing up because we can't afford a newer truck right now. Our needs have out-grown this truck so I'm considering other options but that a topic for a different thread.

I do this not out of passion for the vehicle, but because it the smarter choice and we need it for everything we do around the farm. If Jeff finishes this project and won't use it then what's the point in finishing it?

[quote=""vr4""]Fuck safety equipment. It's a known and accepted risk. Sure newer vehicle are safer and nicer but there's a certain charm to older vehicles. I wouldn't expect someone who buys brand new cars every few months to understand this.[/quote]

My girl is the original owner of our Ridgeline....

My old job required me to drive almost 60K miles a year and I was juggling trying to find a vehicle that was most cost effective and fit my high demands of a vehicle so I was getting a new car every 6 months for that purpose. Been laid off from that job over a year and haven't bought a new vehicle since so i'm not exactly understanding what that has to do with the price of tea in China.

The accident in my Type R and Golf R have changed my view on safety but that's also due to the higher risk of being in one simply because of the daily mileage. I wouldn't expect you to understand that either but different life experiences build different opinions.

[quote=""vr4""]I drove my s10 for the first time in 3 years yesterday. Fired up, ran rough for about 10 seconds, and then cleaned up. Had no problems and the AC was still ice cold. I kind of enjoyed it and may actually drive it to work this week.[/quote]

My neighbor has an 89 1500 Silverado that he drives once in a while too. I see him driving his 2015 F150 more often though. Any motor vehicle can get you from point A to B. Nothing to argue about there.

[quote=""vr4""]Reliability? That 30 year old, 200k mile Chevy has never once let me down. Never left me stranded, has cost me less in repair costs in 10 years of ownership than my 2008/82k mile infinity has in the last 3.[/quote]

Okay then. How about a true stress test? Drive it to my place, come pick up my camper and haul it back to your place. Then I'll drive our truck to your place and haul it back. Let's see if you still feel the same way.

Reliability takes on a different meaning when you factor in how it's used. Anything is reliable in terms of shorter distances and lighter loads. I would tow my camper with my Miata down the length of our driveway once if I had to...

[quote=""vr4""]S10. 1 radiator hose (original lower hose sprung a leak in 2012).
Infiniti. Transmission at 84k. Cats at 86k. Rear diff bushing at 101k.[/quote]

There's a huge difference between vehicle maintenance and reliability. I can argue we are on the original motor and trans in our Truck too but you would expect that because it's been properly maintained since it was new. Is it "more reliable" because it was built better? Too many variables to say.

I would expect a Chevy to have less failures than an Infinity for a variety of reasons though....

You guys can keep trying to pick my words apart but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter because it seems Jeff has made up his mind. None of your efforts directed towards me will change that.

[quote=""vr4""]As for buying it and finishing it, I would love to but don't have the room.[/quote]

This truck is so you though. Even if you buy it to finish and sell it, it would be an overall best case scenario for everyone here.

I don’t know where all this hostility comes from but when coop is the voice of reason then everyone else needs to go get laid and chill.

Greg didn’t mean anything bad, everyone else got positively excited because I havnt come up with a stupid coop idea in a while (I will get right on that).

Soooo chill.


Coop

Camper? Is it small truck friendly?

I was hauling over 1k lbs of scrap every week in this thing for almost 2 years. I definitely wouldn't be afraid to drive it across country and pick up something within it's expected capacity.