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R&T wasn't exactly kind to this car. When one of the two big arguments for going mid-engine was better handling, and then you hear the words 'plowing understeer', that's not good.

I know GM did it to keep people with more money than brains from being the new meme for Cars and Coffee fuckups, but still...that's gotta hurt to hear.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/f ... rive-test/

Yeah that's not good..

Did Road and Track forget to put it in Track mode? Motor Trend said it had mild understeer, but only near the limit.

Let's be honest. Most people use these things as boulevard cruisers. They wouldn't know understeer if it came up and smacked them in the face. But that's not how marketing works.

sounds like the guy writing it had never driven a mid-engine car in the first place. .02

I'd much rather have a touch of understeer than tail-whip oversteer.

3/S AWD understeers like a garbage scow at the limit, until you learn how to drive it and use the throttle to pull it around corners and then there's a whole new limit to explore. Maybe their driver just didn't have the right technique. Who knows... Also prototype cars, so possibly not set up to spec or something. Or maybe the electronic LSD wasn't disengaging right in the corners, or other reasons.

Same old, same old...

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/critics-20 ... e-stingray

Yeah you gotta power a 3/s boat through those turns and know it will stick. Not just try to drive it fast in them.


Coop

"Not great"? The C7 was/is a great car, but obviously you don't get the best of everything in the Stingray variant. The Grand Sport is probably going to be the "track" car to have, and the Z06 will just be plain crazy when it arrives. If there's a ZR1 version, that may be one of the more insane cars available.

Besides, if they are driving Z51 versions with the E-diff, that understeer feel can likely be tuned out with software changes to the diff programming. Hell, they might make it so that tour/sport retain the understeer and have some of the more advanced track modes steer almost neutral or a bit of oversteer. If they are running it without any of the traction/yaw control enabled then they may not even be doing the car justice as the nannies might actually improve the car in various ways.

I think it'll take more than a few minutes around a track for some of these reviewers to really understand the potential of this car.

[quote=""mjannusch""]"Not great"? The C7 was/is a great car, but obviously you don't get the best of everything in the Stingray variant. The Grand Sport is probably going to be the "track" car to have, and the Z06 will just be plain crazy when it arrives. If there's a ZR1 version, that may be one of the more insane cars available.

Besides, if they are driving Z51 versions with the E-diff, that understeer feel can likely be tuned out with software changes to the diff programming. Hell, they might make it so that tour/sport retain the understeer and have some of the more advanced track modes steer almost neutral or a bit of oversteer. If they are running it without any of the traction/yaw control enabled then they may not even be doing the car justice as the nannies might actually improve the car in various ways.

I think it'll take more than a few minutes around a track for some of these reviewers to really understand the potential of this car.[/quote]

Not to mention they are pre-production variants as well. Could be some changes from pre-production to full production...

Also GM probably wanted to let the Mustang owners continue to have their memes, so they didn't want to much oversteer in it in "normal old guy" mode

Who the hell signed off on this spoiler?

That's ugly. Worse than the Z51 spoiler, which I don't particularly care for either - but that one isn't entirely hideous.

Hmmm. Still need to see one of these in person. Did they get the strike resolved?


Coop

I think they've got a tentative agreement. It just needs to be signed and formalized. I haven't really been keeping up on it too much. The guys on the Corvette forum are losing their fucking minds about it though. You'd think the UAW had raped their wives, murdered their children and burned their homes, the way some of them talk.

Strike maybe resolved. Tentative agreement as of yesterday.

Sti’s Want their wing back...

STi wing looks better than that.

Kind of looks like the anorexic little brother to the STI really.